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	<title>Comments on: Wheres the Flex on rails?</title>
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	<description>Weblog for X$!Ve.co.nz, Campbell Anderson Flex Developer</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://coenraets.com/tutorials/flexonrails/flexonrails.html&quot;&gt;flexonrails&lt;/a&gt;
I wish I had the time to try it out.</description>
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I wish I had the time to try it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure RoR might be a fad but of all I&#039;ve seen it&#039;s a fast new way to produce modern websites. PHP replaced Perl for me and I plan on Ruby doing the same and giving me more options on the server side. 

 I&#039;ve done some research. I made a little Flex 1.5 app with PHP passing XML back and forth and would be using RoR to do the same with Flex 2. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be using all that RoR has to offer as I don&#039;t need the view layer. Which is where RJS a to RAS would be cool. Talk about a Pipedream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure RoR might be a fad but of all I&#8217;ve seen it&#8217;s a fast new way to produce modern websites. PHP replaced Perl for me and I plan on Ruby doing the same and giving me more options on the server side. </p>
<p> I&#8217;ve done some research. I made a little Flex 1.5 app with PHP passing XML back and forth and would be using RoR to do the same with Flex 2. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be using all that RoR has to offer as I don&#8217;t need the view layer. Which is where RJS a to RAS would be cool. Talk about a Pipedream.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Cooper</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m obviously biased towards a CF-backend solution with Flex 2, but I think you&#039;ll definitely want to check out CF Mystic Beta 3 + Flex 2 Beta 3..

We&#039;re hard at work and hope to preview some hyper-rapid productivity, secure, OO, MVC, async, intelligent RIA, push, RDMS-based app all-tier codegen, auto-deploy-and-run development with CF + Flex 2.

Quite a few of us on the CF team have build DB apps in many paradigms, tiers, environments, tools, with various frameworks, methodologies, etc over the years and have come to realize we hate coding mundane DB app detail stuff that follows design patterns and is so obvious.  We think developers want to spend more time solving business problems and looking like heroes, and less time doing the basic code patterns for the most common data-bearing DB apps.  

Again, a preview is hopefully coming in CF Mystic Beta 3 + Flex 2 Beta 3.

Damon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m obviously biased towards a CF-backend solution with Flex 2, but I think you&#8217;ll definitely want to check out CF Mystic Beta 3 + Flex 2 Beta 3..</p>
<p>We&#8217;re hard at work and hope to preview some hyper-rapid productivity, secure, OO, MVC, async, intelligent RIA, push, RDMS-based app all-tier codegen, auto-deploy-and-run development with CF + Flex 2.</p>
<p>Quite a few of us on the CF team have build DB apps in many paradigms, tiers, environments, tools, with various frameworks, methodologies, etc over the years and have come to realize we hate coding mundane DB app detail stuff that follows design patterns and is so obvious.  We think developers want to spend more time solving business problems and looking like heroes, and less time doing the basic code patterns for the most common data-bearing DB apps.  </p>
<p>Again, a preview is hopefully coming in CF Mystic Beta 3 + Flex 2 Beta 3.</p>
<p>Damon</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey people,

Ilya, nope I get just that. Really I do and I think I even state it in the post. Just saying where is it. Like you say ROR and Flex is a really nice combination. Why not have a tighter intergration? all pipe dreams bro all pipe dreams

Ryan, cheers for the backup bro 

Josh, Hey man hows thing, Yeah honestly I wouldnt consider making an Uber hard out web app like what I used to make at RightHemisphere, in Rails. As you say its another tool, or the feather in me cap. I like it anyways, Im a lazy programmer by nature and dont want to have to over code and introduce to many potential bugs.

Josh who didnt even leave a link, bro take a chill pill, Im the same evangilistick supporter of flash and flex, you gonna drill me on that too? just cause its new it aint bad,

Paul, Yeah bro you been researching this area? Hans sounds like hes pretty far down the road, only problem I have never tried CFML.....might be time to try something else new :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey people,</p>
<p>Ilya, nope I get just that. Really I do and I think I even state it in the post. Just saying where is it. Like you say ROR and Flex is a really nice combination. Why not have a tighter intergration? all pipe dreams bro all pipe dreams</p>
<p>Ryan, cheers for the backup bro </p>
<p>Josh, Hey man hows thing, Yeah honestly I wouldnt consider making an Uber hard out web app like what I used to make at RightHemisphere, in Rails. As you say its another tool, or the feather in me cap. I like it anyways, Im a lazy programmer by nature and dont want to have to over code and introduce to many potential bugs.</p>
<p>Josh who didnt even leave a link, bro take a chill pill, Im the same evangilistick supporter of flash and flex, you gonna drill me on that too? just cause its new it aint bad,</p>
<p>Paul, Yeah bro you been researching this area? Hans sounds like hes pretty far down the road, only problem I have never tried CFML&#8230;..might be time to try something else new <img src='http://blog.xsive.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the ColdFusion equivalent of Rails is called &quot;ColdFusion on Wheels&quot;.  The project site is at http://www.cfwheels.com/.  It&#039;s basically a port of the core Rails framework functionality in ColdFusion.  Not complete yet, but the latest version (0.31) covers most of the basics.

Will be interesting to see how that project progresses and whether the functionality really makes sense for ColdFusion development.  Rails was written to take advantage of the strengths of Ruby, and I&#039;m not sure how well that translates over to CFML since the languages have different strengths.  We will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the ColdFusion equivalent of Rails is called &#8220;ColdFusion on Wheels&#8221;.  The project site is at <a href="http://www.cfwheels.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfwheels.com/</a>.  It&#8217;s basically a port of the core Rails framework functionality in ColdFusion.  Not complete yet, but the latest version (0.31) covers most of the basics.</p>
<p>Will be interesting to see how that project progresses and whether the functionality really makes sense for ColdFusion development.  Rails was written to take advantage of the strengths of Ruby, and I&#8217;m not sure how well that translates over to CFML since the languages have different strengths.  We will see.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to what I&#039;ve labelled &quot;Flex on Fusion&quot; (FoF).

Part of the beta 2 public release is a set of Eclipse plug-ins that allow you to generate data access objects in AS3 and CFML based on a database table.  This, in my mind, is a start of the FoF equivalent of RoR&#039;s ActiveRecord.  There are differences of course (which is actually good since Flex solves very different problems than Ruby.)

Plug-ins that generate even more code... including an complete app generator... are coming.  RoR developers shouldn&#039;t be disappointed.  Watch out RoR, FoF is on the way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to what I&#8217;ve labelled &#8220;Flex on Fusion&#8221; (FoF).</p>
<p>Part of the beta 2 public release is a set of Eclipse plug-ins that allow you to generate data access objects in AS3 and CFML based on a database table.  This, in my mind, is a start of the FoF equivalent of RoR&#8217;s ActiveRecord.  There are differences of course (which is actually good since Flex solves very different problems than Ruby.)</p>
<p>Plug-ins that generate even more code&#8230; including an complete app generator&#8230; are coming.  RoR developers shouldn&#8217;t be disappointed.  Watch out RoR, FoF is on the way!</p>
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		<title>By: ilya devers</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>ilya devers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

I think you are missing the point big time. Flex is a presentation tier framework. Not a full stack like RoR.

Depending on your setup you could use Flex Data Services. This pulls data from your business tier like nothing else. Pushing back the changes is as easie (if you have the right framework, ie. hibernate or some messaging system).

For the folks who, like me, like to get real: combine the power of RoR AND Flex.

I use ruby on rails for the excellent simple active record stuff. And using builder templates i whip up xml that i let Flex consume. Posting data back to a ruby url from the flex app and whoof there it goes. 

It gets even better with the Flex Ajax Bridge, which allows me to use RoR ajax (check out the awesome RJS features) and Flex on the same page. This simply is uncomparable to anything out there (in terms of easyness and productivity).

And of course (shameless plug) the real Rails for Flex is Cairngorm which brings the same lightweight dessign patterns to Flex that are used in RoR.

So don&#039;t forget:
RoR =&gt; full web app stack with html (ajax) front end. 
Flex =&gt; Presentation tier for any web app tier (like RoR)
Flex Data Services =&gt; middle tier data handling on steroids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>I think you are missing the point big time. Flex is a presentation tier framework. Not a full stack like RoR.</p>
<p>Depending on your setup you could use Flex Data Services. This pulls data from your business tier like nothing else. Pushing back the changes is as easie (if you have the right framework, ie. hibernate or some messaging system).</p>
<p>For the folks who, like me, like to get real: combine the power of RoR AND Flex.</p>
<p>I use ruby on rails for the excellent simple active record stuff. And using builder templates i whip up xml that i let Flex consume. Posting data back to a ruby url from the flex app and whoof there it goes. </p>
<p>It gets even better with the Flex Ajax Bridge, which allows me to use RoR ajax (check out the awesome RJS features) and Flex on the same page. This simply is uncomparable to anything out there (in terms of easyness and productivity).</p>
<p>And of course (shameless plug) the real Rails for Flex is Cairngorm which brings the same lightweight dessign patterns to Flex that are used in RoR.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t forget:<br />
RoR =&gt; full web app stack with html (ajax) front end.<br />
Flex =&gt; Presentation tier for any web app tier (like RoR)<br />
Flex Data Services =&gt; middle tier data handling on steroids</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flex on Rails would be sweet, although I think you&#039;re right, it would be more fitting for CF or AMFPHP to handle it.  There are a couple of ColdFusion projects that I think are trying to do just that.  ARF and ColdFusion on Rails if I remember correctly.

Keep up the Web 2.0 stuff. Josh, don&#039;t be a hater.  It&#039;s not a fad. Sure it&#039;s a buzzword, but you have to admit that the web is much better since the buzzword was first coined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flex on Rails would be sweet, although I think you&#8217;re right, it would be more fitting for CF or AMFPHP to handle it.  There are a couple of ColdFusion projects that I think are trying to do just that.  ARF and ColdFusion on Rails if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>Keep up the Web 2.0 stuff. Josh, don&#8217;t be a hater.  It&#8217;s not a fad. Sure it&#8217;s a buzzword, but you have to admit that the web is much better since the buzzword was first coined.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Tynjala</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Tynjala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still haven&#039;t tried RoR. It&#039;s obviously pretty decent or there wouldn&#039;t be so much hype about it. Fad or not, it&#039;ll being staying in programmers&#039; toolboxes for quite a while, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t tried RoR. It&#8217;s obviously pretty decent or there wouldn&#8217;t be so much hype about it. Fad or not, it&#8217;ll being staying in programmers&#8217; toolboxes for quite a while, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.xsive.co.nz/archives/106/comment-page-1#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus effing christ...you people with your RoR fanboi web2.0 bandwagon fad.  this just legitimizes the theory of people like yourself who praise anything new that comes out on the web as being, &quot;the next big thing&quot;

ITS.  A.  FAD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus effing christ&#8230;you people with your RoR fanboi web2.0 bandwagon fad.  this just legitimizes the theory of people like yourself who praise anything new that comes out on the web as being, &#8220;the next big thing&#8221;</p>
<p>ITS.  A.  FAD.</p>
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